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Primal is Sustainable for YOU long term, but not your family

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    I think everyone should try and have children before 30. And I think everyone’s goal should live off of the land while starting a family. A small holding which provides food, hunting, fishing. That is more affordable long term.

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      Just wanted opinions on this because I feel great on primal, but i cant help think for anyone between the ages of 14-30 this is easy to do because we do not have a family yet. No REAL responsibility's. Let's say by some miracle you convince your future partner to go primal, you then would have to have a substantial amount of money for you & your multiple children

      Example: I'm already spending roughly £18 ($24) a day for myself. Granted, this is mostly great cuts of meat, oysters, raw milk. I cant help but think this would quadruple at least for a family of just 4 (which is a small family) so £72 a day or (96$).

      Yes, maybe the prices are somewhat exaggerated. But you get my point all the same. Sometimes i sigh and feel as though it's a cope as I cant think of one example of someone with a large or semi large family eating primal.

      I Guess we could actually match the price of foods with a great career & become a slave.. never having time to see your children.. man call me a doomer, but i feel like this is something valid i'm bringing up that i have yet to see or the forum.

      Thoughts?

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      @Jay yes can deffo be extremely expensive especially for a family, for my first house I plan on buying attached land with it, I’ll get a cow, chickens and some fruit trees, I think this is the smartest way to live as when you slaughter the cow you get like 6 months of meat, constant milk, eggs etc

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        you gotta live self-sufficient. It’s easy once you’ve got some land. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise,we forgot how valuable just one cow can be

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          @Jay yes can deffo be extremely expensive especially for a family, for my first house I plan on buying attached land with it, I’ll get a cow, chickens and some fruit trees, I think this is the smartest way to live as when you slaughter the cow you get like 6 months of meat, constant milk, eggs etc

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          @veloman How you buying a house in this economy this just kinda further supports my points lol. But best of luck to you broski.

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          • V vik115

            you gotta live self-sufficient. It’s easy once you’ve got some land. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise,we forgot how valuable just one cow can be

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            @vik115 It's easy once you get some land
            HOW THO

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              @vik115 It's easy once you get some land
              HOW THO

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              @Jay Money, or inherit it. Or a community of people.

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              • R ru

                I think everyone should try and have children before 30. And I think everyone’s goal should live off of the land while starting a family. A small holding which provides food, hunting, fishing. That is more affordable long term.

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                @ru Broski, How can we have children before 30 when we are work slaves who cant even own land. Alot of people are very optimistic in this forum which is commendable for sure. Again why 30? it's a man made number. Maybe for women, sure ideally 5 before 30 but as a man i can hold out at 29 a little longer. its not optimal or ideal but its our current circumstances.

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                  @vik115 It's easy once you get some land
                  HOW THO

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                  Do you live in the US?

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                  • V vik115

                    Do you live in the US?

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                    @vik115 The UK, but that's not that much better.

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                      @ru Broski, How can we have children before 30 when we are work slaves who cant even own land. Alot of people are very optimistic in this forum which is commendable for sure. Again why 30? it's a man made number. Maybe for women, sure ideally 5 before 30 but as a man i can hold out at 29 a little longer. its not optimal or ideal but its our current circumstances.

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                      @Jay I’m not waiting till 30. 23 max

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                        @vik115 The UK, but that's not that much better.

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                        @Jay Okay I was asking because in the US you can find cheap land in remote areas because nobody wants to life that isolated from civilization nowadays.
                        Brother ofc you need money , the same way you need money to afford this diet.
                        I can’t tell you how to make money because there are a bunch of models. I know someone who got rich of breeding frogs and playing Guitar. Everyone has a different path.
                        But in the UK you definitely have the opportunity to save up 70-100grand to move abroad and get some land. Ofc it won’t work without educating yourself living independently. I didn’t mean to say that buying land is easy, it’s obviously not.(but possible) What I was trying to say is that people often underestimate how manageable it can be to live off a small number of animals. Chickens, a couple of cows, and some fish can already produce a surprisingly high amount of food. There are even efficient systems, like traditional Chinese pond farming, where fish, animals, and crops are combined to maximize output.
                        Iam from Germany right now I work in Sales and I am able to save money from it. I don’t know your situation but don’t limit yourself by thinking about money when it comes to your family life and future

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                          @Jay Okay I was asking because in the US you can find cheap land in remote areas because nobody wants to life that isolated from civilization nowadays.
                          Brother ofc you need money , the same way you need money to afford this diet.
                          I can’t tell you how to make money because there are a bunch of models. I know someone who got rich of breeding frogs and playing Guitar. Everyone has a different path.
                          But in the UK you definitely have the opportunity to save up 70-100grand to move abroad and get some land. Ofc it won’t work without educating yourself living independently. I didn’t mean to say that buying land is easy, it’s obviously not.(but possible) What I was trying to say is that people often underestimate how manageable it can be to live off a small number of animals. Chickens, a couple of cows, and some fish can already produce a surprisingly high amount of food. There are even efficient systems, like traditional Chinese pond farming, where fish, animals, and crops are combined to maximize output.
                          Iam from Germany right now I work in Sales and I am able to save money from it. I don’t know your situation but don’t limit yourself by thinking about money when it comes to your family life and future

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                          @vik115 Exactly! Buying land is an investment that saves money in the long run. I think because society has moved away from this way or living it seems so hard but it’s not.

                          I would recommend sheep over cows to anyone because their milk has more cream and they have less meat, and shorter gestation, so more fresh meat, less to freeze.

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                            Just get your money up but don’t be a slave about it

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                              @vik115 Exactly! Buying land is an investment that saves money in the long run. I think because society has moved away from this way or living it seems so hard but it’s not.

                              I would recommend sheep over cows to anyone because their milk has more cream and they have less meat, and shorter gestation, so more fresh meat, less to freeze.

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                              @ru "better long run", there is no long run you can die any second from accident or whatever, its very easy.

                              Raw liver enjoyer

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                                @ru "better long run", there is no long run you can die any second from accident or whatever, its very easy.

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                                @Rabbi Once you live off the land you don’t need to spend money. I ain’t living my life thinking I’m dying soon. Your missing the bigger picture.

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                                  Just get your money up but don’t be a slave about it

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                                  @vik115 You cant get money truly up & not be a slave you gotta pick one

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                                    @Rabbi Once you live off the land you don’t need to spend money. I ain’t living my life thinking I’m dying soon. Your missing the bigger picture.

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                                    @ru I mean I guess better to live in optimism. But have that in mind at least.

                                    Raw liver enjoyer

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                                      @ru I mean I guess better to live in optimism. But have that in mind at least.

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                                      @Rabbi Yeah obviously live in the moment and don’t think about the past or future. But it’s wise to plan for the future. I think thinking I might die any moment isn’t a good way to live in the moment.

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                                        @vik115 You cant get money truly up & not be a slave you gotta pick one

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                                        @Jay not true at all. Money is not the root of all evil your needs are. I don’t want to be hippie dippie about it but money is just energy and we agreed upon its value, even tho money doesn’t exist. Like I’ve said you can make money by doing the things you enjoy and there is no limit to it. I am not talking about working a slave Corporate job at McKenzie.
                                        The idea that trying to earn more money is meaningless/slavery sounds nihilistic to me because it suggests that nothing you do to improve your life actually matters. idk.. bro you can have your viewpoint, sounds like goatis tho haha but you can convince me otherwise I am open minded

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                                          @Rabbi Yeah obviously live in the moment and don’t think about the past or future. But it’s wise to plan for the future. I think thinking I might die any moment isn’t a good way to live in the moment.

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                                          @ru Realizing you are going to die and can die any moment (rawprimal ofc makes it much much harder but still) snaps you back to reality or the now as you fear the future (death) and the past becomes meaningless.

                                          But yes ofc I think you are responsible human so good thing for you as you are thinking about your future and trying to live in the moment!

                                          Raw liver enjoyer

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